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Post 80

Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 5:18pmSanction this postReply
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"First thing to accept is the fact that no two brains are identical and the synapses in each brain will fire at exactly the same way to produce identical thinking in two individuals at the same time. Therefore no two people will ever think exactly alike."

Just like how if I take Route 1 and you take Interstate 95 we will not both arrive in New York City? That statement of yours is nonsense, and we both know it.

Post 81

Friday, November 13, 2009 - 5:29amSanction this postReply
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Harley,

John's right about altruists altering definitions for idea-coherence and against reality-correspondence (i.e., against truth). Now, it may be true that the altruists' definitions are older, but that has no bearing on their truth.

I wrote about Karl Marx doing exactly this here, and I wrote about Game Theory researchers do exactly this here.

Ed

p.s. Who is your favorite existentialist philosopher?


Post 82

Friday, November 13, 2009 - 4:07pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

Please clarify your post 81.  In your first sentence you agree with John that altruists have changed the definition.  In the next you allow for the altruist's definition to be an older one.

You second sentence is an interesting claim on its own.  Could you please explain further why we should struggle to change a term's meaning from both its origin and popular meaning?


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Friday, November 13, 2009 - 5:29pmSanction this postReply
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Doug,

Thanks for the interesting questions. You really know how to keep a guy honest. I will answer you simply and straight-forwardly (innocently). You ask me to explain the following:

In your first sentence you agree with John that altruists have changed the definition.  In the next you allow for the altruist's definition to be an older one.
My wording there could have been more intelligent. In order to alter something, it has to first exist! In short, I should not have used the word "alter" or "change" but, instead, should have said something like:

"Regardless of reality, the altruists manufacture a definition of something that fits their pet theory."

 In some cases, there was a correct definition already in existence, and the altruists altered it to fit their whims. For instance, Aristotle talked about friendship and morality being self-based -- e.g., good friends are mirror images of ourselves; good morality benefits the individual.

Altruists changed Aristotle's 'definition' of friend to the "friend-in-need" (friends are then taken to be those folks for whom we sacrifice). They totally reversed his 'definition' of morality.

However, there may be times when the sinister altruists have come up with their own words -- like social justice, economic equality, greater good -- and proceeded to start off on the wrong foot (by creating their own definitions), rather than taking something that was right on track since Aristotle, and then derailing it to fit their whimsical, Utopian visions.

Could you please explain further why we should struggle to change a term's meaning from both its origin and popular meaning?
Doug, did you read the link to my article about "reciprocal altruism?"

In that article, I show how "reciprocal altruism" is an 'anti-concept.' This -- when there's an anti-concept -- is one of those times where we should struggle to change a term's meaning. The reason we should do that is because it lets us be more clear and less contradictory (clarity and non-contradiction being really good things for us to have).

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 11/13, 5:30pm)


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Friday, November 13, 2009 - 7:02pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

Thanks for the compliment, and thanks for the explanation.

I read your reciprocal altruism essay about a year ago, I think.  I'm glad you wrote it.  I remember thinking it was a weird term even when I was first exposed to it.  It struck me as an oxymoron, so I simply reduced it to mean "civilized selfishness".


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Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:53amSanction this postReply
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Doug,

"civilized selfishness".
I almost fell off my chair reading that! Good stuff. True, too. Isn't it funny how the philosophically-challenged scientists used the word altruism to describe selfishness?

What a crazy, wacked-up world we live in.

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 11/14, 10:53am)


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Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 10:59amSanction this postReply
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"Wack" is not a verb.

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Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 11:23amSanction this postReply
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Sorry, Ted ...

Crazy, mixed-up world.

Better?

Ed


Post 88

Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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I don't know, Ed, ask the prints of whales.





Post 89

Saturday, November 14, 2009 - 12:32pmSanction this postReply
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Wah, wah, waaaaaaaaaaaaah.

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Post 90

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 11:54amSanction this postReply
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The simple truth about Selfishness is that it is the right way to understand that "mine is mine", the American people have prospered because of this thinking. We have went to war to make sure that what is rightly ours (freedom) is not taken from us, we are a ownership society and because of that we work hard and produce more then any other country in history. Because we believe that "mine is mine" our children have a future, this is what selfishness brings us. I am also new to this way of thinking and I say Ayn Rand had it right.

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Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 1:03pmSanction this postReply
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Jimmie, being new to this way of thinking doesn't seem to have hurt the clarity of your thought. Well said.

Post 92

Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 9:14pmSanction this postReply
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The first time I ever heard of or read Rand was when a person with whom I had been close friends in the eighth grade threw The Virtue of Selfishness on my desk with the comment "you'll like this" between classes in the 11th grade. I laughed when I read the title, and when I read her line saying that the reason she chose that title is the same reason that would make a person who asked why she chose it afraid, I was in love.

No one in the 24 years since has ever tried to introduce me to Rand.

If she had not chosen that title and said what she did I would probably never have heard of her, or cared if I had.

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