Sam, I owe you an apology; I'm sorry I never clarified what I meant in my post 151. It is not my intention to reopen this thread; I just wanted to clear a few things up.
In the quest for absolute equality, no distinctions (between groups of people) can be made.
If there are no distinctions between groups then there can be no groups, as groups are characterized by their differences. I'm really trying to get my head around this. Are you arguing that I should ignore that there are elderly people, young people, handicapped people? Are you suggesting that I ignore that certain people have traits in common? There are laws protecting juveniles because they can't be fully responsible for their actions. Are all the data miners out there immoral because they have certain target groups? My above statement is not my position, rather, it is my speculation as to the motives of others. Many people quest for equality, and the quest to eliminate racism, by blurring distinctions between groups and individuals. Their reasoning is "If I can prove that everyone is the same, no one will try to oppress anyone (by using racial characteristics), since we are all the same." Though this is well meaning, it doesn't account for reality, and is unnecessary if individual rights are secured.
Personally, I recognize the distinction between groups and individuals, both genetic and otherwise.
One that comes immediately to mind is the preservation of a groups' rights. If distinctions are avoided, and all people are viewed as the same, people will view each other as having the same rights. However, if distinctions come into play, some people may use this as grounds to violate another groups' rights.
I'm surprised that you are using an argument of "group's rights." I firmly believed that members of this forum rejected out-of-hand the concept that groups have rights ... only individuals have rights.
To distinguish groups of people from groups of other kinds, such as trees or animals, makes no sense to me. It's an inhibition not to observe that "blacks have good teeth" or "white guys get sunburned easily." I reject the idea that one should censor one's thoughts or speech because someone else might violate another "group's" rights when the expression is factual and non-confrontational. Would you have the same argument if a black guy observed, to me, that white guys get sunburned easily? (I'm white.) The idea of me being offended is absurd.
You're right, I should have put "the preservation of the individual's rights".
Hope this clears things up.
Also, Ed is correct. Some people (i.e. politicians) find it useful to seperate people into groups (often by use of racial characteristics). Those people subscribe to the "we vs. they" mentality. My point was that other people, in order to prevent group vs. group domination, attempt to blur racial distincitions (create an all inclusive whole) to prevent this. They'd be better off securing individual rights as anyone can see that no two people are exactly alike.
And thank you, Ed, for giving me the benefit of the doubt.
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